With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. You have to have unity among your vocational staff at the church about, you know, key issues like how do we treat other people? Please know you are not alone. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims, Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. Mitch is an attorney, a church elder and an advocate for abuse victims. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. So, and youre the chairman of your board. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. Ive asked that question many times. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Jill I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. Well, lets talk a little bit about the leadership that protected him because I think that is the question that I keep hearing over and over from folks is, How do we prevent this from happening? After a failed attempt to travel alone in his truck out west, he came to church with us that very day. Is that correct? WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. And I think there is a healthy fear. The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And the Nancy Ortberg situation, a hug that lasted too long. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. And I have other thoughts about that and how that all worked out. Amen. which Hybels assented to including you know, repenting for his behavior and not talking about politics and some other things as well. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. 1 talking about this. Powerful ministry at some points. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. I dont know. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. Briscoe There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. And theyre born knowing how to do that. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. But so far, I havent seen that. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Yeah, that is super dangerous. I think he lost it. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray But when we look at it from some practical ways that God used people to undo this, explain what you see as being the key forces. And Im good friends with her husband Scott Dyer as well. Absolutely. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. But you have seen the the worst of it. Its not okay. Pete was preaching from Hebrews, and he was making the New Covenant come alive before all of us. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. It is not a program is not a set of services. In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. He makes sure the good things stay in the church and the bad things go out. Yeah, without using any names. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? It involves a level of compartmentalization that is truly stunning. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. It grows on the vanilla orchid, and it only grows in really exotic places like Tahiti, and there are some places in Mexico it grows too, but what is unique about the vanilla orchid is when it blooms, its got to be pollinated within one day. Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. I dont know. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. When you have a woman who says I was molested by a staff member, or you have a staff member who says, Bill Hybels just threw a punch at me, or dog cuts me up and down the hallway, those arent matters of policy, Julie. Telling another woman, how she looks in a dress and how it accentuates her body, everything up to an alleged affair, to Pat Baronowski, Bill Hybels longtime assistant, stating in the New York Times said Bill Hybels made her obtain pornography and they watched it together. I think youre absolutely right about that. How did that all happen? You can choose from more than 60 majors and learn in a Christian environment known for its spiritual values, leadership opportunities, and strong financial aid. Im Julie Roys. So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. So thank you. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. That way, youll never miss an episode. This is what manifests. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. I think that he lost that. We are egalitarian and sophisticated, and we are Gods chosen church to show how ministry is supposed to be done. You know, people like Dee Parsons, Julie Anne Smith, Julia Dahl, and people who I knew would not stop talking about it and would not stop talking about it for months. Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. And really, I came back to the Lord at Willow and He used that church to help me reestablish my relationship with Him and with His church. Because it was lawyers advice, you know, and its like, where does the word of God play into our decision making? I Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. Not sad or contemplative, but agitated and very irritated. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. I mean, that is just huge. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Yeah, yeah, I think I think thats a good word to Julie. I think the load needs to be shared. Pete Briscoes father, Stuart Briscoe, who I loved dearly, hes not in good health, I wish he was, I wish he could hear this and Id wish him well. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. At one point, the elder board at Willow became what people call a policy governance board. I attended Willow for seven years. And we need to apologize. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. And I thought, I think I knew what he was doing when he named it that, but heres why I think its so ironic. I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. However, whenever he would do that quavering voice, etc., I would wonder how he could do that for all three identical services? And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. Whats our theology? "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. One of those is that you had your senior pastor resign kind of suddenly. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. And so when you know from the pulpit, that might be a strength. 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