Bushmills isnt produed deep in the heart of protestant country its produced on the north coast which is mixed catholic and protestant, sure the catholic stronghold Glens of Antrim are down the road. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. I can see you have been horribly scared by the conflict. [4] At the time of his visit, the distillery was home to five pot stills, two of which with capacities of 25,000 gallons, were amongst the largest ever built. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. Though I guess thats for a different forum. Many of these came from the grain mills along the Bush River, where the current distillery stands today. Yes, plenty of Irish whiskey is ordered as shots or in Pickle Backs, but it also works in a number of cocktails, including, of course, McGarry's The Dead Rabbit Irish Coffee. Like seriously you hate us so much you wont drink our whiskey??? Just as in an area which is largely Catholic you would expect most employees to be Catholic. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. Paddy is pretty readily available in the New York Metro Area, but Ive never seen it since I left for warmer climes. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! Im not sure if this is truth or myth but I cannot drink Bushmills due to there even being a chance of truth in that because of the awful stories I heard about those F&[emailprotected]$&$ convicts (the black and tans) the Brits let loose on the people of Ireland. It has been my favorite since discovering it at the Buena Vista Cafe in San Francisco. The Plantation of Ulster is when the King of England gave lands away in Northern Ireland to the English that originally belonged to the Irish. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. It was their house label Irish before it was readily available in the US. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. For the record I have had many a session all over the island both North and south. And it was always welcomed as a special Balkan business bestowal, to grease whatever wheels needed turning. As a bartender years ago in Chicago I was told When stocking your liquor on the back of the bar. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. I can just say Cheers! In 1886, John Power & Son began bottling their own whiskey, rather than following the practice customary at the time, of selling whiskey directly to merchants and bonders who would bottle it themselves. I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. Not sure what Guinness has to do with this, but your claim goes against everything we were taught about him, but maybe history is just whitewashed for us Yanks. There is a rivalry, to be sure, but it is all about business, and not about religion. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. Theres a scene in season 3 of The Wire that went right over my head: McNulty asks the bartender for a Jameson, and the bartender asks is Bushmills ok? McNulty comes back with aw, thats Protestant whiskey! Grudgingly, he accepts, but asks for it neat. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. , Do note that the greatest tv show of all time, The Wire, always showed the Baltimore cops ordering Jameson in the bars, and the hero, McNulty, becomes indignant when only Bushmills is available at a partys open bar ( I guess most of the cops were Irish Catholic ), so traditions prevailed. TRIPLE SEC, 2 shots of BUSHMILLS, Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. As a Scotsman living in Scotland, Id say I f youre worried about the religion of your whiskey then perhaps you shouldnt be drinking. By far the biggest of this selection. Your email address will not be published. Catholics and Protestants have a different view on the nature of the church. Who really cares. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. Cheers! Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. Asked the guide about it. The new distillery opened in 1975, and a year later, production ceased at John's Lane Distillery and began anew in Cork,[1] with Powers Gold Label and many other Irish whiskeys reformulated from single pot stills whiskeys to blends. Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. Such days are long over, and Dew is rapidly making up the difference in sales, and has already overtaken Jamison in may countries in Europe. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. Delicious. ** Good luck and god bless Hun. There was a big banner from the 80s in one of our meeting rooms that read boycott bushmills they discriminate because they were from the north they didnt use to hire catholic workers. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. Im thankful for everyone who, New York City! But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. The truth is that great whiskey is produced in both the north and south of Ireland. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: . Come back if yer all so fucken proud. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. Not buying a certain brand of product because of centuries of English overlordship of Ireland is just so stupid on so many levels. Whoever owns Paddys also owns one of these bigger brands and wont export to the US because they know they would cannibalize their own market share. Despised it. [15], More recently, in 2015, Powers Signature Release won a gold medal in the category Irish Single Pot Still Whiskey at the Irish Whiskey Awards. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. Im not surprised this thread is still going strong. I was playing golf in Ireland, and I asked my caddy what was his favorite whiskey. Today in Trader Joes, the checker looked at my bottle of Bushmills and then at me and asked, Catholic or Protestant? I had never heard that one before. I think the Middleton hurt my wallet the most. Over and out. It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Guinness is in the Republic of Ireland and Bushmills is in Northern Ireland would it? Go figure . And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. Potatoes for supper This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. I will be at Ninkasis B, Thanks for having me this morning to talk about ou, Last night someone was like oh wow I didnt t, HAHAHAHA Thank you @makersmark and @whisky_in_mai_, Thank you @traveloregon for having us on the start, Over the years, people have come to associate us w, We feel like most of you who have visited our litt, Ive always been one of those people who thought, http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean). Those whiskeys seem to get along just fine! Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? I even have taken a liking to Bushmills Irish Honey when Im in a cocktail mood.Not being Irish and not wanting to get political. Entries are still open for the 2023 San Fr, This weekend, we hiked to the site of a natural ca, Valentines Day. It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. Drink which ever you palette desires!! Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! William Riley, well said, man. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . The northern Protestant states, angered by the violation of their rights to choose granted in the Peace of Augsburg, banded together to form the Protestant Union. The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. Maybe not the best role model, but whaddaya gonna do? DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. Not enough time to read through comments. It is Bushmills that supplies single malt (The Old Bushmills Distillery is the only one of the three in Ireland that distills only triple distilled single malt whiskey, while the Midleton Distillery produces grain & pure potstill spirit and Cooley produces double distilled single malt, grain & potstill), as well as doing the bottling for Jameson, Powers & Paddys (All from Midleton, along with Red Breast, Greenspot & Tullamore Dew). Although I prefer my BUSHMILLS A great whiskey. Yet a great friend of Catholic Ireland. It was a big hit with my fellow pilgrims. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. In true Irish US tradition, my son is a cop and we will drink any Irish whiskey all of which are superior to Scotch. @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism Most protestant in my area have a real problem with Catholics. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. Thank you for the real-world experience! Nevermind the fact that it would be illegal in UK law. In a TALL glass.one shot of [1], Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. If you dont beleive in god the whole situation would appear ridiculous. Whiskey has no religion. Bushmills is very proud of its long Irish heritage and yes its head distiller is catholic but if someone wants to boycott this whiskey, not for taste, but simply because it is situated in an area populated mainly by Protestants then they are the one with the problem. I tried Bushmills a couple of years ago and was surprised to find I liked it a lot, too. In April I went to Jerusalem. Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. Im a Redbreast man first when feeling flush, but usually turn to Powers or the old John J when cash flow is normal. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. Cant believe this discussion thread is still going on since 2009! Cake Protestant whiskey is typically made in Northern Ireland, while Catholic whiskey is made in the Republic of Ireland. It is the oldest licensed distillery by 200 years and was once owned by a Belfast barman who get this was a teetotaller and secretly wrote religous tracts damning the Demon Drink! But "this couldn't be any further from the truth," says McGarry. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. Funny how these things work out, innit? So, so stupid. Interesting and often amusing reading of so many perspectives. Usually King James Version. Do you have a clue what an ol Yankee could do there for wages? Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. Regarding the Catholic/Protestant/Jewish/Corn Beef relationship, Man is walking down the street in Belfast. 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. Also, you ask what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon? Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. Im sure there were dodgy discriminatory practices based on race or religion in most big corporations in many countries in the past. I am Catholic and Slovak and do not care what the British have done to the Irish. Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. Oh, by the way, John Jameson was a protestant Scottish planter in Ireland, so shouldnt you be boycotting his whiskey also? And I was not drunk !!! The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. Should these facts come into the discussion when considering whether or not to indulge in a pint of the creamy delicious black stuff!? The spelling of whisk(e)y is actually a bit up in the air as far as that pesky e goes. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. The Protestant Reformation began in Wittenberg, Germany, on October 31, 1517 . Im not sure that it says anything more than that it isnt a strictly American argument. All of this is just silly, Ireland is totally united in the bottle. Mind you the order as I see it goes Knappogue 51 > Midleton Rare > Knappogue 15 > Redbreast > Black Bush > Knappogue 92 > Tullamore Dew (makes for the best Irish Coffee) > Then take your pick of the Jamesons/Bushmills/Cooley offerings. Well, being of Scots-descent, Ill take one of each. The only option is to import a case in through the provincial liquor stores at about $35 CAD per bottle. Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. . As the Protestants had pretty much a stranglehold over all shipping in the country, they refused to ship Dew in favor of the Protestant-produced Jameson. As for the Tullamore Dew, it actually is the perfect mingling of North & South, since the pot still & grain comes from Midleton in Cork and the single malt is distilled at Bushmills (then aged down at LDI). I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. I come from an island which has been called the most Irish place outside of Ireland and weve had our papist-loyalist troubles in the past, where they will remain. Polarised. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! hint of linseed. Believe in the Trinity of God. However, its all moot now as the French reap the profits in the end , Jameson, Bushmills, Tullemore, Red Breast, Powers. Found it very smooth to the tongue. @Rob: my scotch comment was tongue-in-cheek. Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. Heres the real question why does everyone insist on handing us shots of jameson late night in colorado? ** TONIGHT!! Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. . I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. @Allen: Thats just my point. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Get your facts right ! And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. In some ways Im like woof, Thank you, @craftspiritsus for inviting me to give, CALLING ALL NACHOS AND WINGS LOVERS (okay and foot, Menu and blog update! @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). lol. Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. The main differences between Tullamore Dew vs Jameson are: Tullamore Dew is produced in different distilleries, whereas Jameson is produced in a single distillery. I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. It is either good or it is not. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. Mostly only Catholics or the nonreligious drink here. I got into Powers through my wife, ans she learned of it from Shane MacGowan(s music). I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. Im leaving this post up as an archive, but I encourage you to read that article first, and if you, As far as Im concerned, springtime is Dark and Stormy season. Turned out not to be such a controversy. For a blend, I am really impressed with the Michael Collins. Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. Soon after, in a bold move, Irish Distillers decided to close all of their existing distilleries, and to consolidate production at a new purpose-built facility in Midleton (the New Midleton Distillery) alongside their existing Old Midleton Distillery. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. Support the old sod. The whiskey was originally produced in Tullamore, County Offaly, Ireland, at the . Privacy Policy | Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. Gin with a lime is Protestant. With regard to Powers Gold Label: I bought a bottle last week after reading about how decent a drink it was. It is the second-largest-selling brand of Irish whiskey globally, with sales of over 1,500,000 cases per annum as of 2020. Palate Paddy is a brand of blended Irish whiskey produced by Irish Distillers, at the Midleton distillery in County Cork, on behalf of Sazerac, a privately held American company. I am definitively a black bush person but I was mentioning that while spending a lot of time in Ireland back in 1998, I saw, while visiting the Bushmills distillery, cartons of Jameson bottles on the bottling chain. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. 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